Recent comments by presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann have stirred up the discussion about gay marriage once again. While speaking to a group of high school…
It’s a valid question that says a lot about who we think God is. What does it mean about God that people are created in the divine image? Does God have a corporeal (physical) body or is God only some form of spirit. When God walked in the garden, did he (as that scene portrays God) take real steps or is the text metaphor?
If God does have a body, is it a body like ours? Does God have a belly button, or is that a scar of humanity? Does God have reproductive organs? If so, which ones? A penis? A vagina? Both? Neither?
Western Christians often talk about God as a sex-less, genderless spirit being. We claim the male references to God in the Bible are figurative anthropomorphism and ignore the female references. We neuter God and take away her body. It is the easiest solution, but not holistic. Scripture, tradition, reason, and psychology all point to a God outside the typical western (lack of) imagination.
Over time, we will look into each of these arguments and work together to develop a whole picture of God. But first, we should think about why this is important.
Our world – and our church – is currently fighting over issues of gender, gender-roles, and sexuality. The old “one-man-one-woman, man rules over the woman” paradigm is finished in our world. We fight (with both words and stones) in the city streets, but the writing is on the wall. The world has shifted. Sexuality outside of male/female monogamy is accepted by western society. Children born other than “boy” or “girl” are left alone not just to choose one gender or the other, but to accept the alternative gender of their birth. Male and female has become a spectrum instead of a polarity.
Our understanding of God will affect our understanding of and posture toward these cultural shifts. It will help us understand why we agree with some changes and stand against others and will give us the tools needed to effectively communicate our positions with others. This is the difference between chucking a rock at the nearest target and skillfully standing against injustice.
I am not an expert in this field. I am a learner. As a learner, I am asking questions and trying ideas on. As we work through these questions, do not be surprised if I change my mind or heart through the process. Please ask tough questions and respectfully engage with the material. Welcome to my journey.



Yes, God does have a penis–and my God’s penis is far larger and more virile than your God’s penis, so there!
It must be twenty-five years ago, I had a person tell me that the character of my relationships with others reflected the character of my relationship with God, and probably defined His nature for me as well. This was not something I wanted to hear. Up until that point, it had been me and God against the world: we weren’t winning, we weren’t happy, but we had each other. LOL.
If my faith in God does not include love in all my affairs, then my God is neither omnipresent nor consistent (or I am having too many affairs). Until my God “matures” in my “becoming,” I need to refrain from idle boasts about Him. Better that I show my God, at my present level, than brag. The humanity of Jesus seems the hardest for Christians to grasp (and he DID have a penis).
For me, the entire Gospel is summed up in these words: Turn, and BECOME as a little child, a perpetual beginner and open vessel.
Thank you for a timely article. I, too, have struggled with and explored this issue. As an old feminist who turned against the religion I was raised with because God as I understood God to be in my early 20s seemed to me like a “male chauvinist pig” who hated women, thought they were good for one purpose only, and that is to bear male children. God seemed to punish Eve a lot more harshly than he did Adam, and even though they both took wrong advice to be disobedient, Eve from the Serpant and Adam through Eve, somehow it was always womankind held out to be the one who must be controlled lest she lead man astray.
In my early 30s I found I did need God in my life, and even though I had looked into eastern religions and admired many aspects of them and about Native American beliefs as well, I turned back to the God/Jesus/Holy Spirit version of spirituality I had grown up with. It was Jesus I liked the most about Christianity, and right at first little else. But I read the Bible for the first time in my life, and I read leaning on my own understanding (a no-no, I suppose), not the interpretation of a pastor or teacher. What I found was that often verses that were hurled at me to shame or control me were taken out of context and had nothing at all to do with the way they were used. I also found that Jesus never said any of the things that seemed so harsh, strict and unfair, that he was all fairness and love, and that he urged us to be likewise.
In reading Genesis, I came to the conclusion that God didn’t necessarily have a penis, and if he did, then he would also have to have a vagina, as scripture clearly says “male and female he created them in his image.” God has also used self-descriptive comparisons such as “like a mother hen, I will gather my chicks under my wings.”
Then there was Jesus’ attitude towards women; he treated females with equality every time one was in his presence. He said Mary had chosen wisely to sit and listen to him speak instead of laboring in the kitchen like Martha so busy with “women’s work” at a time when learning was a male privilege only. He often chided his disciples for not doing as well as women. When a woman with an “issue of blood” touched his hem, he told this “unclean woman” whom no one was to touch that her “faith had saved her” and she was cured. He stopped the stoning of the adulteress, and he treated the Samaritan woman with a “shady past” to go and spread the word, after asking her, this most despised, creature to pour him water. When asked about a woman who had continued to marry brothers as each one died and the next brother in line married her until she had been married seven times who would be her husband in heaven, Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven, no male or female.
So my conclusion based on these passages and others as well, is that God/Goddess is a spirit. The Bible was written in a time and culture where male dominance and the subjection of the female was the norm and to give the Almighty the reverence and respect they should, of course they would chose the male nouns; the female would have been out of the question. People often say God doesn’t change, that God is the same yesterday and today, and that may be true, but our culture has certainly changed over the centuries and so have our attitudes. When Paul began his arduous task of getting the First Church formally established, polygamy was the norm, and even though he suggested that a man in a leadership position should have only one wife, he didn’t say that men with several should divorce all but one. He also told men to treat their wives and their slaves kindly. This is because the culture saw those situations as the norm, and if he had said divorce all your wives and let your slaves go, these people would most likely have been without support and have nowhere to turn. Paul also said it was better to live like he did, totally devoted to spiritual issues, but it was better to marry than to burn, which suggests to me that marriage wasn’t ideal but better than those burning hormones distracting you to the point of non-control. So when people say our values do not change, they are actually very incorrect. Our values and perceptions have changed a great deal since the preachings of the First Church, and I imagine they will continue to change as our understanding and scientific knowledge change. Jesus left us with three basic commands– To love God with all our hearts, to love our neighbor as we love ourselves, and to love one another as he loved us. If we are doing that, really doing it, instead of saying things like “love the sinner, hate the sin” but truly loving, I believe that these burning questions would no longer be so important and we would come to that loving and harmonious understanding of the humane people Jesus urged us to be.
Thank you for such a thought out comment. You have neatly written my next article for me.
I don’t want to say too much, because I’m still doing the study and writing for said next article, but part of what I will look at is the way we have created God in our image rather than accept we were created in hers. This has led to a distorted view of God and a distorted view of humanity.
If you really are a learner, I might suggest that you’ve picked a poor place to learn. Throwing a question like this out onto the vastness of the Internet is a bad place to find advice on the living God. In fact, I might argue that asking man for his opinion of God is a great way to start a new religion. Religion of old and modern is littered with gods who have appendages, gods who are made by men who desire sex sacrifices, and gods who have idols that bear sexual symbols. These aren’t new.
I’d even argue that if you’re really serious about the living God, (if you are talking about the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, the God spoken of in the New Testament by Jesus Christ), then you might start there. Please don’t hear me as being sarcastic or mean, but there are a lot of places to start learning instead of throwing such an important question out to other people to answer – especially if you’re about to base your belief system upon it.
Friend, you have some religious education listed on your biography, so I assume you have some knowledge of where to start. Jesus Christ, who made claims of divinity gave some good starting places in the Gospel of John. Without quoting any of the Bible except the book of John, just take John 4:24 where Jesus says, “God is spirit.”
Surely most of the questions have been asked and the answers to even the most ridiculous questions are out there, right? Asking questions without purpose isn’t going to move us toward belief if the answers are already out there.
Paul addressed a lot of people with questions on Mars Hill in Acts 17 when he accused them of having many gods – then said basically, “let me tell you about this unknown God you seem to be seeking.”
I’m encouraging you to find a starting place. Is your point about feminism? That men have tried to make God into a man so they can oppress women? Then that’s a different issue than God having appendages or not. The answers aren’t to be found by asking humanity – that’s how we form our unorthodox ideas and wrong beliefs.
I suppose the bottom line is this (and forgive me if I’ve misread your post) – has God revealed himself? And if he has, what does he have to say about himself?
Ray, some conversations are asked because we need to ask them, not because we need the answer. Provoketive is a space to explore those questions. Please consider that.
I appreciate your concern, Ray. To be clear, I am not asking others to answer this for me. Rather, I am asking these questions, studying them by looking at what Scripture, Reason, Tradition and Experience have to say, and then inviting others into the learning process. This last piece is important both because what I learn might be helpful to others and because comments from others (like yours) will keep me from diverting too far from Tradition too quickly.
I am asking questions about God because that is what I am interested in at the moment. I want to know why we assume the gender roles we place on God (male or neuter) and why we don’t assume others. I hope this becomes clearer as I continue to write.
Can we study these questions by looking at what Scripture, Reason, Tradition, and Experience have to say? How does our perception change, deepen, to discover the new and unknown? Doesn’t it come down to having “the eyes to see”? Where do we get that vision?
Our very best motivations for the pursuit of truth are nothing compared to inspiration. In fact, all motivations are suspect and none pure. Contemplative prayer, the surrender of reliance on all supports to faith and judgment, seems the only way to realize (“discover and bring into being”)
Sorry. As I was saying, ‘…the only way to realize…’ the depths of soul and spirit. It is like a Zen Koan: made to overwhelm the ordinary workings, beliefs, and values of the “false self” (ego).
Look at the thousands of sects in Christianity; they, too, tried to study these things with the safety net of their Tradition and Hermenautics, Reason seemingly rightfully in charge.
The Bible is a children’s book, the vision we need to have to get the plot, the message, to see with the necessary heart of discovery, one must have the vision of a Little Child.
The sub-conscious in us all is the puppet-master: what we most often think of as choice, is an echoed command from below…righteously and unflinchingly followed. Any motivation is an impurity. All motivations are so diluted and delusional that our grandest intention is no more than lurking vanity.
Yet this cycle can be broken–and that is the deeper purpose of the Twelve Step Path. To realize this purpose usually means slow torture, the steady and nearly unrelenting “necessary suffering” that comes with self-realization. There appears to be no “easier and softer way.” A good 6th and 7th Step translates, usually, into the very worst time of our lives.
Everything about life is left up in the air and the only thing that we know for sure is how badly we acted. All certainty about the sacred and profane is gone. All comforting support to faith and being is stripped away. The next moment becomes so entirely unknown and strange that we do not have the mind or will to venture a guess. The ground beneath our feet has given way to an unfathomable abyss. We hover, aloft in ambiguity and ambivalence, still only from unknowing. And “unknowing” is the home of the soul.
Many are discouraged from remaining in this place, the well-intentioned throwing ropes, deploying boats, coming in helicopters to take us from this obvious “bad place” to the safe shore of Reason, Tradition, and Principles. Evil seems to be underfoot and gaining yards, so why not desperate measures. A soul appears ready to be lost. And it is, but not in the way assumed.
Unless intimately experienced, we tend to think it is “alcoholism raising its ugly head”; “the ego looking to take back control”; “faith assaulted”; “the failure to properly work this ‘simple program.’” All lies…if we have truly reached the threshold point of fundamental transformation. That point is free-fall.
“Good is enemy of the best.”
We all tirelessly and always work for good, as one’s perceptions dictates. It is in breaking this cycle of our estimation of doing “the next good or right thing” that salvation finally comes.
Nothing that is truly new can be understood by a consciousness that looks to compare, measure, and weigh it by past experience, study, or text books. Give a TV to a caveman and it is firewood or a cutting tool, once broken. The incomprehension of this movement of the soul is similar.
Jerry Lynch, I don’t get what your comment about perceptions and the Twelve Step Program have to do with the subject at hand, that being the sexuality of God, and is God/Goddess just a spirit or does he/she have an actually physical body and only one sex. Could you tie the question in with your comments to make a little more sense in the context of the original question.
Thank you.
My response had to do with all questioning of and questions about truth. Getting the eyes to see is of primary focus. Until then, all spiritual answers are gossip and rumors; meaning of the mind, a product of the critical intellect, and not a state of being.
I shared about AA because that is where I began to understand the process of transformation. Earlier I said that ‘paradox is the native tongue of mystics.’ Paradoxes such as “the last shall be first” and “to live you must die” cannot be directly approached by Reason.
Our emphasis and direction needs to be our vision, how we see. All our “adult” machinations of analysis and study serve either our vanity or our biases. Immaculate perception is that of the Little Child. Jesus told us this. The Bible is a Children’s book, and unless we turn, and BECOME as a little child, we remain blind.
In other words, you’re complexly saying you don’t see value in the question? That’s fair; just say so, if that’s the case. The validity of the question is certainly worthy of discussion.
Caedmon, sorry, are you talking to me? I see a validity in almost any question (with the few notable exceptions of who buys my clothes and what happened in ’69.). The nature of this question is, to me, lovably rakish, a noble irreverence that reminds me of how Jesus caught people unawares and thus open to a deeper understanding.
Sorry for my verbosity and abstruseness; and I always think that I am clarifying. My point is really simple: how do we approach such questions? Blunt force, trying to crack it open with the hammer of our critical intellect? Do we try to work within the known of our tradition and accepted dogma? Or is there another, and surer, path to discovery?
The gracious demands of fellowship and advancemnet of the kingdom welcomes a rebuke. I am not looking to be right about the gospel; I am looking to be true to the gospel, and for that I need all the help I can get. We can end up being “too gentle” or “too kind.” Disagreement is not necessarily attack. Civility is good, yet sometimes we are just too fevered to pay it much mind, looking solely to make our point. Kind or cold we are still each charged with being open and looking for the spirit of what another is saying. To that end, usually asking questions instead of making accusations works better. This is not directed to anyone here; I state this because I am, as mentioned, wanting to be true to the gospel. Correct me even if clumsily or cruelly; we’ll sort it out later.
It all comes down to how we see and interpret. We all have filters. a generous dose of worldliness that can blind or impinge clarity of the spiritual. So many of us decide on truth long before we have any clue what it looks like or how to recognize it. Or we go on a search without the equipment for discovery, thinking we are naturally equipped to realize something totally alien to our experience and education. Funny, but really tragic.
For me, the questions cannot be approached directly; the answers are not in what I find but.what finds me: divine providence after my complete abandonment out of desperation, frustration, loss, failure, or disillusionment. These “awful mercies” of God help restore my vision, because I am left with no choice but trust in him, or where I needed to be all along.